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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:39 am Post subject: 18 bladed Tele Vivitar 200mm f/3.5 Tokyo Koki |
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caspert79 wrote:
Found this lens last week, and took it far a little walk to check it out. Camera used: Sony A7RII.
What does it look like:
lens by devoscasper, on Flickr
It looks pretty cool. Mine is almost in mint condition. Obviously, the build quality is very good; all metal and glass. Everything moves smoothly, not yet on Takumar level, but close.
In the following images, the only post processing I did is levels adjustment. The original images are slightly low contrast, what can be expected from this very old lens. Click a few times if you want full resolution.
This one is at f/5.6:
televivitarDSC08329 by devoscasper, on Flickr
I thought it handled CA's remarkably well in this image, especially considering the age of the lens.
Around f/5.6:
televivitarDSC08318 by devoscasper, on Flickr
Resolution is very good actually!
At f/8:
televivitarDSC08322 by devoscasper, on Flickr
Again, the resolution is quite yummy. Bokeh too, thanks to the almost perfect round 18 bladed aperture.
At f/4:
televivitarDSC08317 by devoscasper, on Flickr
At f/4:
televivitarDSC08315 by devoscasper, on Flickr
At f/4:
televivitarDSC08313 by devoscasper, on Flickr
Conclusions:
Pro's:
- Beautiful bokeh at all apertures
- Build quality is really good
- Very good sharpness from about f/5.6 and smaller
- Good CA control for old lens
- Fairly compact for its speed
Cons:
- Quite rare
- Front heavy
- Images are fairly low contrast straight out of the camera
- Needs stopping down for great sharpness (but remains great bokeh). |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Good samples. Low contrast can be dealt with. I think My Tokina Tele-auto probably has the same lens design but 8 blade aperture. It is still kind of round in a buzz saw way at F5.6 _________________ pentaxian |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
@ D1N0: Yes, that could very well be.
Does anybody know how the Takumar 200/3.5 performs? Is it sharp wide open? |
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D1N0
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
The Takumar is excellent and sharp wide open. _________________ pentaxian |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
D1N0 wrote: |
The Takumar is excellent and sharp wide open. |
One to put on my list |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 756 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Does anybody know how the Takumar 200/3.5 performs? Is it sharp wide open? |
Yes. I have a Takumar 200 3.5 and also the same Tokina-made Tele Vivitar 200 3.5 with the 18-blade slotted aperture.
Some time ago I compared them, and IIRC I preferred the Takumar, but it was very close. |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
KEO wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
Does anybody know how the Takumar 200/3.5 performs? Is it sharp wide open? |
Yes. I have a Takumar 200 3.5 and also the same Tokina-made Tele Vivitar 200 3.5 with the 18-blade slotted aperture.
Some time ago I compared them, and IIRC I preferred the Takumar, but it was very close. |
Thanks, interesting! |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7776 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Same as my Dollonds -S lens, which I adore. I have about eight M42 200's at the moment and it's the only 3.5 - I have sold all the others. Is it as good as the Takumar f4 ? I don't know, but the Dollonds is my most used 200.
I have always thought this was a Tokina, I've seen pictures of it as a Vivitar, Aicoset - P, and I think Tokina , and it has similarities to other Tokina's of the period, but I could be wrong. It's been suggested that Kino / Kiron might be the maker? Whoever did make it did a great job, it's a wonderful lens.
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It is a heavy old thing, but I found an old, unbranded tripod mount that fits nicely on the 65mm x 7mm flat just behind the aperture ring. The mount is 18mm wide but it clamps onto the 7mm wide part of the lens perfectly, it's really tight. It makes the lens a lot easier to use. The tripod ring clamps down to 64mm and opens to 66mm.
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caspert79
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
KEO wrote: |
caspert79 wrote: |
Does anybody know how the Takumar 200/3.5 performs? Is it sharp wide open? |
Yes. I have a Takumar 200 3.5 and also the same Tokina-made Tele Vivitar 200 3.5 with the 18-blade slotted aperture.
Some time ago I compared them, and IIRC I preferred the Takumar, but it was very close. |
Thanks, interesting! |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
Same as my Dollonds -S lens, which I adore. I have about eight M42 200's at the moment and it's the only 3.5 - I have sold all the others. Is it as good as the Takumar f4 ? I don't know, but the Dollonds is my most used 200.
I have always thought this was a Tokina, I've seen pictures of it as a Vivitar, Aicoset - P, and I think Tokina , and it has similarities to other Tokina's of the period, but I could be wrong. It's been suggested that Kino / Kiron might be the maker? Whoever did make it did a great job, it's a wonderful lens.
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It is a heavy old thing, but I found an old, unbranded tripod mount that fits nicely on the 65mm x 7mm flat just behind the aperture ring. The mount is 18mm wide but it clamps onto the 7mm wide part of the lens perfectly, it's really tight. It makes the lens a lot easier to use. The tripod ring clamps down to 64mm and opens to 66mm.
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I'm pretty sure it’s produced by Tokina, or rather Tokyo Koki as it was named before. It looks as lot like other lenses they made in those times. I don’t think Kiron made 35mm camera lenses yet, but I could be wrong. |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 756 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
I'm pretty sure it’s produced by Tokina, or rather Tokyo Koki as it was named before. It looks as lot like other lenses they made in those times. |
Definitely Tokina. You can occasionally find them branded Tele-Tokina. I did a fair amount of research because I also have the matching Tele-Vivitar 135 3.5, which is a fun little lens in its own right. It was one of my first (and few) highly-successful repair jobs.
The slotted aperture was a Tokina thing. I don't know why they gave up on it, actually...seems to work really well. |
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Paulius
Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Posts: 321 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Paulius wrote:
My Vivitar 200/3.5 is made by Tokina (37xxxx), has eight blades. Probably there are some variations. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:45 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
There were at least three different versions made by Tokina of the Vivitar 200mm 1:3.5 and also a version made by Komine (most common) and one made by Kino (you don't see that one very often). _________________ pentaxian |
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